Tracey Tee, founder of Moms on Mushroom (M.O.M.), speaks about the benefits of psychedelics, specifically psilocybin (magic mushrooms), for personal growth and healing. Tracey, who has been heavily involved in the ‘momosphere’ for many years, shares her journey of losing her business during the pandemic and how psilocybin helped her navigate this challenging time.
She then discovered psychedelic healing and felt called to support other moms in the realm, and launched M.O.M. in 2022, an online community and digital microdosing course exclusively for moms. Her goal is for a million moms to publicly endorse psychedelics for healing, which she believes will help destigmatize their use and expedite their legalization.
Tracey encourages a conscientious and slow introduction to the medicine and emphasizes the importance of feeling and processing emotions rather than numbing them, a frequent issue for moms as they face societal expectations of what motherhood “should” look like..
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[00:00:00] Beth Weinstein: Hello everyone, welcome back to Medicine for These Times, The Psychedelic Entrepreneur. I am so honored to have Tracy T from Moms on Mushrooms with us today. Hi Tracy, thanks for being here. Oh my gosh,
[00:00:16] Tracey Tee: I'm so happy to be here.
[00:00:18] Beth Weinstein: I am so excited to connect with you. I already feel like the vibe. Even, even previously on social media, I was like, wow, I like this woman.
I like what she's up to. You're probably, we probably have a lot of similar astrology signs.
[00:00:32] Tracey Tee: Are you like just only in Aries?
[00:00:34] Beth Weinstein: Like I'm just all Aries. That's it. That's so funny because I'm a Sag Sun Leo Moon. I'm an
[00:00:41] Tracey Tee: Aries Sun Cancer Moon, which explains the crying and the spirituality, but then like Aries rising Aries in my Aries house.
Like when I first got my chart, she was just like, Oh, Oh, it's just all Aries. So anyway.
[00:00:55] Beth Weinstein: Oh yes. I have so much fire in my chart. It's one of the reasons I'm I had to move to the country and like slow it down and drink a gallon of water a day girl. I feel that
[00:01:04] Tracey Tee: deeply.
[00:01:06] Beth Weinstein: So we'll, we'll go into a Tracy's background.
So Tracy has been actively involved in the mom momosphere for over 10 years, first co creating and starting the national touring cult hit comedy show for moms called the pump and dump show while co producing band of mothers podcast and serving as a co founder and CEO of the pump and dump shows umbrella brand.
Ban of mother's media. During the pandemic and during her own journey with psilocybin, Tracy began to feel called to support moms in a deeper and more meaningful way. In 2022, she launched an online community and digital microdosing courses created exclusively for moms called M. O. M. Moms on mushrooms.
Tracy's goal is to bring moms together through the sacred use of plant medicine For a shared journey of personal growth and healing and I will say I didn't know this about you But tracy weaves in a sacred facilitator approach into the Moms on mushrooms ethos calling on the support of the sacred feminine and sacred mother earth to connect back for women to connect back to themselves through prayer herbology grounding nature, and of course Plant medicine, and I really honor that, um, because the one and only episode I think I've recorded myself talking about my microdosing protocol, and I talk about the energetics and the spirit and the intention and, you know, like, I don't actually care about the dosage.
I don't do protocols. I just. Oh. Like tap in and honestly i've gotten to the point where I hate to say this. It sounds so cliche But if I just work with the spirit of the medicine, I start to feel it and i'm like, whoa Like I don't even
[00:02:46] Tracey Tee: need it anymore. Oh my wow That was like shown to me in a journey and then so I always say that i'm um, Like i'm raised by medicine women.
So my entry to this path was like through underground shamanic healers that I knew nothing about. And I, um, I really just sort of like showed up at their doorstep. Um, and, and I've been like a green witch for so long. I didn't realize like how much I've loved plants my whole life. Like I've always studied plant medicine and herbology and then just sort of like told myself because I'm a mother.
Um, because I never really did drugs that I couldn't do the psychedelic side until it became so blatantly apparent that I, that I needed to. So yeah, I don't talk about it much either, but I love that you said that because one of the big hurdles we have inside our community when we teach courses is everyone's like, well, how many, you know, how many times a day do I have to do it?
What's the protocol? When do I take it? And I'm just like, y'all, we don't need another dude in a coat telling us how to take things like time to listen to this. It's like, it's. And you, and it sounds so woo, but I do believe it's an energy. I talk to it all the time and it talks to you back and it's so hard to describe it until you experience it.
But yeah.
[00:04:04] Beth Weinstein: I'm so glad you said that because I've, I've actually interviewed both Paul Stamets And James Fadiman and ask them both about their protocols. And it's kind of funny. I love them. I respect them both. Totally. But, you know, one of them got a little like defensive about his protocol. And, you know, the other was like, this is how it's done.
And I just I and it's funny because I told both of them, I was like, well. I've just always listened to my intuition and they're like, Hmm. You know, like
[00:04:29] Tracey Tee: no girl, no.
[00:04:31] Beth Weinstein: They're probably sitting there going, this girl's not getting any benefits. But you know, then again, I'm not doing it to repair, you know, I'm not doing it for like physical reasons or depression.
I, I actually do it just for like, Oh. Today I feel a need for it and then sometimes I go weeks and I don't feel anything so I love it I love that you're teaching it this way I
[00:04:51] Tracey Tee: mean It's it's hard to teach it that way because it's it's not in our brains and so much of kind of what we present is Like permission to unlearn everything that we've been told and it's so hard and it's so hard not to be like I'm gonna crush this micro dosing thing.
I'm do like 30 day micro dosing, you know It's so intense out there and and we're the experts Expectation that we're going to, and the, and also that microdosing is going to, you're going to like lose 50 pounds and save your marriage and write a book and start a business. It's like ridiculous. It's just needs to be so much softer and that's, that's how I found it.
And then actually big things do happen, but you can't, you got to get off that like pipe train a little bit.
[00:05:33] Beth Weinstein: Yeah. I love it. It's what we were talking about before we got on camera about this kind of, this paradigm that I always refer to as the old paradigm that I don't. personally feel a part of anymore, except that we all still have to be on some level, but yeah, there is another way.
And honestly, it's been working really well for me and all my clients. And when we shift into this other way of really going inward and tuning inward and also. Understanding that these plants actually, I mean, everything I believe is a spirit and there's a way to connect and we can connect with, you know, I always use this as the example, like this to me is the strongest medicine I've ever worked with.
Yeah. It's like the spirit of the water. Um, so I love that we're talking about this, but I want to back up a little, cause I've never understood your whole story. Um, you know, I didn't realize you've done so much. I was like, Oh, it's a mom who's coming about. coming out about mushrooms. Great. Like we need more of this.
Right. Cause I, I will, um, it's funny. I'm supposed to be writing an article for Rick Doblin asked me to write this article for maps about how I did acid at the age of 14 and how I'm so glad that I got started at a very young age. And I remember having this conversation when my mom found out because my brother told my mom somehow as
[00:06:53] Tracey Tee: they do
[00:06:54] Beth Weinstein: Um, yeah, and I was like, uh, and then she confronted me and I I looked at her and I was like But wait, you were a hippie Like what were you doing?
And here's the thing she had lied to me and said, oh, I never did any drugs And then of course, you know 15 years later. She's like, ah, you know the truth came out but it was this You know, it was like that shame and that like, Oh, now I have to go hide it. And then of course that doesn't help things, but I'm curious, you know, what brought you to even get into the mom business in the first place?
Obviously you must have kids. Um, but let's hear about what you used to do and then how this. Kind of morphed into the moms on mushrooms.
[00:07:31] Tracey Tee: Yeah, well, I'm definitely like the real, no one is more surprised that I've been working in the mom space since I became a mom than me, like no one. And no one is more surprised that I'm here talking with you about it.
Alex, like I, my path has just been sort of laid out in front of me. Um, I'll try to truncate it, but I, I come from a theater and writing background. And, um, When my daughter was around. two years old, really, really young. One of my best friends from the eighth grade moved back to Denver. We kind of, you know, moved, I moved to LA, she moved to New York during our twenties and thirties.
She came back, our daughters were three weeks apart. She was pregnant with her second and over play dates truly. And trying to like, and just in the throes of new parenthood, just. It's so hard to describe like the exhaustion and how your mind is not really your mind when you're raising little kids. Like you're just sort of like going through the motions and just trying to survive.
And so, and, and then as creators, especially Shana, my partner, she was like desperate to do something. performative and creative just so she had an outlet so she could feel like human. And so we created this comedy show called the pump and dump show that we wrote like on no sleep. It started in a bar in Northwest Denver for free.
I don't even remember how we like made it up there to do the show. And the first night we did it, there was like 75 women who showed up. Um, and this was back in 2012. So really before even social media is the epic thing that it is now. I don't even know how people showed up the next month. We came into the bar to do the show and the manager looked at us wide eyed and they were like, um, people have been calling all day.
They want reservations for groups of like 10. They're like, we don't take reservations. We're a bar. So we just knew we were onto something and we. I think we are just at the right place at the right time. And really what the show is about. So pumping and dumping is like a tongue in cheek. Like you, if you want to drink, there's a wives tale that you pump your milk.
And then the baby doesn't drink the alcohol that's in the milk. So it was really all about like getting it off your chest. And we really just like created this show where we said the things that every mom was thinking. And we were kind of like the jerks that said it and gave mom's permission to just laugh about everything that we had in common.
And it grew from there. We ended up. Touring the country nationally, every big club, theater, music venue you can think of, we did it, we were on the Today Show, it blew up, we had a podcast, um, and then in 2018, our bodies were broken from like raising children and touring the country, and, um, We were just, we knew it was time to kind of pass the torch.
So we just put every red penny that we had into our business and created two new casts. One out of LA, one out of Chicago to tour regionally. And um, did that in the latter half of 2018 then by 2020 everything was ready. We had almost a hundred shows booked between January and June of 2020 and then March hit.
And I watched a business that we spent nearly 10 years building slip through my fingers. In a matter of weeks and no shows in 2020, 2021, you know, everyone's pivoting, pivoting, pivoting. We just never could really get it back on track. And eventually at the end of 2021, we were just like, we threw in the towel.
And, um, so. So, but the show, when we were traveling, you know, the beautiful thing about it, our umbrella company was called band of mothers. And we really did believe that moms could come together and it didn't matter whether you tried, you know, eight year old placenta or never tried a cloth diaper. Like we still all white butts, right?
We still have so many things in common. And after the show, we would hear story after story of women just feeling so alone, so alienated, so broken. Um, And we would cry ourselves asleep in the hotel rooms, like after our shows from these stories. And when I started working with, when I started microdosing in 2020, after I lost my business and the grief of all that, plus navigating having a third grader and trying to explain to her online school, I mean, she didn't have a computer, she didn't know what zoom was like in a pandemic and like all the bullshit that came with the lockdowns.
Um, you know, the mushrooms showed up in a big way for me and, and truly saved me. And as I started to work with them and kind of come out of the shroom closet to other moms, what I realized is the thing that we did with comedy, bringing moms together through laughter, that was kind of like the before times, right?
And now it just became so obvious that now we need to start talking and that this medicine. Is showing up in such a big way in this moment in history to heal us because we are past the point of return, we have gotten so upside down and this medicine is like, okay, I'm here to help you. And for some reason, by the grace of God, I just slipped in and again, reluctantly, and this was after like journeys and a series of other events, it was just sort of shown to me.
That this had to happen. And then I was in meditation one day and moms on mushrooms, MOM just sort of like dropped into my head. And I sat up and I was like, well, that's genius. Obviously someone's doing this, you know, and no one was. And I was like, not me. It doesn't it should not be me. I guess it is so.
[00:13:12] Beth Weinstein: Oh, my God. I love this story. I love it. And, um, I can totally relate, you know, that, that kind of same thing. I actually said no to the, you know, downloads or whatever we want to call them. They were coming through for years. I was like, there's no way I'm going to come out and talk about this. Like it was a very small group of people.
And, um, it was a huge part of my path as well, but it was like, you know, do I need to talk about this? No one's talking about it. It was still kind of like, you know, this is before 2019. And things were still kind of, uh, but yeah, I mean, I love this. story, because we've heard of so many people during the pandemic, you know, not only were their businesses completely destroyed, but then also their, their spirits crush.
I mean, I was with, um, my former partner who was, had custody of his teenage daughter throughout the pandemic. And it was like a horrible experience. I mean, it was hard as shit. It was hard. I look back and I'm like, Oh my God, you know, like I'm surprised that we didn't break up then. Seriously. But yeah, we've heard a lot of people, you know, turning to microdosing.
I'm curious, you know, did you? Did you ever touch any psychedelics before these mushrooms came in at all? Like,
[00:14:23] Tracey Tee: so no, um, I smoked my fair share of weed and I was, I've been a big drinker my whole life. Um, in college I never did ecstasy. I never did. I never did anything. And then, um, Shana, same business partner, she called me and she's like, um, I want you to come camping with me and a bunch of other women.
Most of them are moms. up in Boulder by a lake and she's like and you're going to put your big girl pants on and you're going to take some shrooms and I was like, okay, that was the first time 40, 44 years old. I mean, literally middle aged housewife, never done anything, went camping, ate the shrooms. And I, when I was driving up, I was like something in my soul was just telling me, like, if this is the experience that you think it is, it's almost like I knew what was going to happen.
And then there's something there. And it had been calling to me, like, I had been a big fan of Paul Stamets. I'd gone, like, Years before to go see him speak by myself, like scalp to ticket. Like I've loved psychedelics for a really long time. I was super interested in ayahuasca way before it became trendy, but I just never thought I could do it.
And so I finally did it and it was everything that I thought. And there was something there. And when I was driving back from the camping trip, like so life affirmed, so connected to God, so expanded, I was just like, This is it. This is everything. This is it. And then, um, for a bunch of reasons, one of which one of the major ones is motherhood, but also I had had a full hysterectomy at 41.
So I went into surgical menopause at 41 years old and was actually on Welbutrin. Thank God to like navigate the mood swings because when you have a full hysterectomy, You I walk in with hormones. I left the hospital without any I had I was having hot flashes within 24 hours of the surgery So I was really trying to find ways to mitigate this insane ridiculous change to my body That didn't involve wellbutrin and so everything about microdosing just made sense And and it and it worked It just it all worked.
Yeah.
[00:16:35] Beth Weinstein: Yeah, that's huge. Um, because as we know, um, I was actually just talking to a friend the other day who said he was, he was going to facilitate a circle and did everybody's intakes and every single person was on an antidepressant. And, um. You know, some of them weren't even aware of what they were on.
And I was like, wow, I forget how much this, this is just part of our society, especially the last few years. I mean, I get it. There have been moments where I'm like, oh my God, now I remember why I, you know, like wanted to do so many drugs or was handed antidepressants as a 19 year old in college, you know, it's just, it's challenging times.
And then you throw in parenthood, you throw in, um, you know, probably. Most mothers, I mean, at least everyone I know is a working, working mom. My mom was working, you know, like very, I know few to no stay at home moms these days. Cause I don't know the world we live in. It's quite expensive, especially here in the U.
S.
[00:17:35] Tracey Tee: You know, one time. There was, um, I'll never forget this moment when I was on the road touring. So this was quite a few years ago, we were in Dallas, Texas, and we were like on a step and repeat taking photos with everybody. And we were talking with this mom and it was Dallas moms. And they were all just so beautiful and so put together.
And everyone was just so like pretty. And I'm like, where do you get your clothes and why do they all match? And why does everyone look so good? And we were just laughing and joking. And this woman, she looked at us both and she goes, Oh, everyone here is on pills. Everyone here takes pills. We're all on pills and I was just like, wow, that like, so matter of fact that everyone's just on, on something and we see it all the time in mom and you're right, like most people are like, well, I'm on this and this and I think I'm on a couple other ones they don't even know.
[00:18:24] Beth Weinstein: Oh, my God. Well, this is what I want to ask about next. Um, it's funny. So I lived in New York City for over 20 years and I moved two hours outside the city back in 2018, 17, 18. And, um, recently, just a few months ago, I had heard, because someone gave me this a sample of, um, I don't know if you've heard of Park Slope, Brooklyn.
It's kind of this like notorious. Yeah. So there's this big farmer's market and I used to go there all the time and I love it. But it's, you know, it's like a scene and Park Slope's
[00:18:55] Music: like
[00:18:55] Beth Weinstein: the moms. And of course, if you live in Park Slope and you have kids, you probably have a fair amount of money because it's a quite expensive place to live.
I mean, most of New York is. Um, so supposedly there's a rumor that there's someone just blatantly selling psilocybin, um, you know, supplements at the farmer's market, like out in the open now, um, which I'm like, Hey, all the power to them. And my friend was telling me, she's like, yeah, all the moms in Park Slope are now doing mushrooms.
And I was like, Oh, this is fascinating because previously they probably were just, you know, numbing themselves with something else. And now there may be. Opening up and maybe processing feelings and who knows, um, you know to me. Yeah, mushrooms can make you feel good But they also bring a lot to the surface.
Also, they make you feel like shit. Yeah, exactly You will cry. Um, but I'm curious like why why moms and why? Mushrooms for moms and what is it? Like what is the premise? Is it because they're It's just we all know it's hard and then you throw in how much harder it is and then they're going through these waves of emotions or is it more just like, Hey, let's get together and like, kind of trip and compare journeys.
I'm curious, like, what is the premise of being in a mom's group and on Mushroom?
[00:20:12] Tracey Tee: Um, I actually think it's much deeper than that. And it's, um, it goes back a lot further. The more I talk to moms, the more I do this work, the more I do my own healing, you know, I'm not a historian or a sociologist, but I have this feeling that like, we've never really gotten it right for mothers this whole time, like for, for decades, for generations, for centuries.
It is incredibly, I want to say difficult, but it's not even the right word. It's just. It's such a trip to raise a kid. If you are fortunate enough to grow a baby inside your body and birth a kid, that's its own thing. And it truly is a portal that you go through. And this isn't to say that like moms are better or worse or anything or, you know, better than anybody else.
It's just. It's a shared life experience that is really hard to define. And I think our Western, Western culture specifically has really taken the spirit and the holiness out of raising children. And it has been layered on with, you know, as women. You know, collectively, we all know this patriarchal and this isn't me hating men.
This is just the way it is. It's the industrial revolution. It's the evolution of our society. We moved really far, really fast and women got caught. Like we kind of like got caught in the middle of it. And also we kind of got forgotten. And I don't think we've ever really found the right place for women in society or mothers.
And so I think there is. A lot, like I was saying, you know, when my daughter was two and I was just going through the motions, it's like, we don't know what we don't know. And we don't know really how to live in this world while balancing raising humans and also like being a human, being a woman who happens to be a mother, receiving support, offering support, letting people raise their families.
For what's best for them without judgment, raising your own family without judgment, um, loving your body, nurturing your body, nourishing it when it goes through these big portals. I just don't think we've gotten it right. And I think we're at a place now where, like we just talked about, you know, the one, the one thing that's been common, especially for the, like, we'll just say the, like the, the American mother is that.
It's totally fine for moms to numb out. And that's actually, I mean, you kind of even implied it. It's like the, it's like the expectation, right? Like, Oh, mommy's little helper. Oh, she just needs her volume. Um, Oh, you know, wine mom. Oh, they can just get together and drink. Like, it's all like a little bit sad and condescending.
Like, Oh, well we understand it's hard and we're just going to let them have this thing, but we're not going to let them fucking like come out and expand and be embodied and powerful. And I think. Microdosing for mothers is the antithesis of this historical way moms have been treated. And it's like, finally now we're like, no.
No more. We're done. We're done carrying the ancestral trauma. We're done carrying the pain of our parents. We're done doing what we're told because we don't have a choice. We're done feeling guilty about everything. We're done like second guessing ourselves and we just, and we're done. Like not being allowed to be.
Women like dads are men. And their dads, they're not just dads, but when you, there's this expectation that when you become a mother, like that's it, you lose your first name, your last name and your identity. And you're just a mom, even, you know, if you're a working mom, you're, you're a working mom, you're not a working woman who's, you know, doing great things in the world and you can have both and it's not sustainable.
For our souls. And so that's why I think it's important because we're ready to break out of that. And when we do that, that's when I believe we become the best mothers because we're fully embodied women. And we're modeling to our children what it means to like, live your best life. And, and like, sorry for my language, but like fucking love your kids, like love this gift that you've been given, but also love that you're going to go off and do other things.
And we just haven't gotten that right yet.
[00:24:48] Beth Weinstein: Wow, this is so powerful. And I'm like, I'm feeling it so deeply and I keep having, um, you know, the word expectation coming up, like I, it's funny, I love my, I love my mom, but you know, it's been a deep journey, um, to come to terms with. You know the the generational traumas the you know the fact that my parents did their best, but you know I'm a child of divorce.
I'm like you're very typical American family.
[00:25:15] Music: It's like
[00:25:16] Beth Weinstein: they got married. They didn't know what they were doing They were young they were trying to make ends meet People, you know, they were busy working and then it all unraveled and you know there's like various stories in there including, you know numbing with alcohol and being um, you know a dad that just Kind of disappeared a lot more than probably not, you know, then I we would have liked so And I I keep thinking this to like you definitely feel right when it's like we've gotten this all wrong but it's It's, societally, it seems that there's these expectations, you know, like you mentioned the guilt.
It's like, oh, well, back, back, at least before a few years ago, it was not okay to talk about the challenges or how hard it was or, um, how you felt. It's like, you just had to be this great mom that was like, always showed up. And then. Yeah, like you stress out and lose your shit on your kids or on your whole family, and then it's just kind of like, Oh, mom's, mom's being crazy, you know, or like that, that kind of like, uh, just control yourself.
And it's funny, um, one of the very first moments of awareness during, um, my very first ever ayahuasca ceremony. It was like the super clear image that just showed my parents as kids having kids and Them not knowing what they were doing and just doing their best while also juggling like all this other stuff You know and it's it's and the expectations are like well, you also have to cook you also have to clean You have to have a nice house, you know You have to drive the kids places the kids had to play piano and blah blah blah you know, it's like and it's only gotten more intense over the years because I watched You know, friends and family, you know, their kids are involved in 200 different activities.
Now getting into college is harder than ever. It's everything costs, you know, quadruple the amount. And it's like the amount of pressure in our Western world here. I mean, yeah, you and I can pretty much only speak for America, but it's, I've seen this with clients in Australia and Europe as well, where it's like it's a very Western problem where it's like, and then.
What about living your own life too? Um, I actually get a lot of moms as clients who You know their kids are maybe now teenagers or out of the house and they're like who am I who am I? Yeah, like what do I do now? I think I want to do something for me and it's hard because even like even just admitting that and i'm curious what What comes up a lot in your community?
Is it like this like a lot of people reach this point where they're like, I don't even know who I am Or is it like the stress of the world or is it just Every you know, like I'm curious what the overarching themes are of the struggles of moms today.
[00:28:00] Tracey Tee: Yeah Um, it's it's it's all of that, you know, it's and and it's it's like sometimes it's like women Sort of show up at our doorstep, and they don't even know why they just know that their soul is like this ain't working anymore
a lot of it is Very simply. I just want to be present for my children You know a really big thing for a mom is to admit that she just like doesn't like playing with her kids Like when I finally said out loud. I hate doing crafts eat it. I'm not good at it It doesn't fill my cup. I don't like it. My kid's not that great at it.
So like, it's like very like, you don't even get that. You don't even get the satisfaction of like having something cute at the end. Like it's okay. You don't have to be. And then there's this new thing that's kind of emerged over the last probably 10, 15 years that like now, not only do you have to be the super parent and all the things, you also have to be their best friend and their playmate.
And, you know, we, we see these means go around about how, you know, kids in the nineties, we just rode our bikes around, tell it was dark and then came home. Exactly. So there's like, there's a layer of fear that's happened. Um, and then on top of the fear, then there's like judgment, right? Because if someone else is letting her kid run around, um, then you're like, well, she's a terrible mother.
It, it's just this self perpetuating thing. And so really it's like all of it and it's not sustainable and there's no, there's no. Nexus to come home to, right? Like church used to be our thing. There's no community church used to be the thing. But what we're realizing now is like this top down hierarchical thing of just like one guy telling you how it is, isn't serving.
And yes, in like inside church, Bible studies and different things like that, like that's the important stuff because people are talking and. And we're not talking anymore because we don't have community. And then we're so overwhelmed with social media and all the things that go on there. You don't know if you're coming or going.
You don't, you literally never know if you're making the right choice as a mother. And I mean, can you imagine? I mean, we already feel like that as women. Can you imagine feeling like that? Like on behalf of one, if not several other human beings, like it's not sustainable. And so it's all, yeah, it's all of that.
And, and the, and the crazy part is. On top of that, what you were saying is like, you're not allowed to talk about your feelings. You're not allowed to talk about your pain. You know, we don't, we're finally just now starting to scratch the surface on women's health issues and PMDD and perimenopause and how uncomfortable it is and how hard it is.
And we're just now starting to dip our toe in that. But again, hundreds and hundreds, thousands of years of women bearing this burden, like it's like. like, like we're just supposed to grin and bear it, it all just sort of accumulates and it's too much. And, and so then women come to mom and they think, well, microdosing will help.
But then what they realize is these, all of these feelings start to come up and out. And we've also developed as a society, a resistance to feeling uncomfortable. A resistance to those crunchy edges, a resistance to crying for a week. Everything is a diagnosis. Right? Julia Meir talks about this all the time.
Like everything is a diagnosis. And so now the minute you start to actually feel your feelings, you're like, there's something wrong with me. I got to go back on the pills. And you're rewarded because your doctors will generally agree with you because we don't want a hysterical woman. We do not want hysterical women.
We don't want sad women. We don't want big feeling women. We want everyone to just put their best face forward. And that, that is not what psychedelics do, like, at all.
[00:31:54] Beth Weinstein: That is the, that is the atomic bomb ready to go off, which I, I mean, I think a lot of us are already feeling like, well, look at our society, it's going off because there's been this suppression and repression and like, You know, like even when you said the hysterical woman, I'm like, Oh my God, what year was that from?
Like the forties or fifties when they would, you must, or it was like, I think it was even earlier than that. You were hysterical. If you, and it's like, well, actually we used to chloroform women
[00:32:21] Tracey Tee: when they gave birth. Like, because we didn't even want to hear a woman scream when she was pushing. I mean, if you, if you really dig at the underneath of that, it's so dark and our mothers carry that through.
I mean, I always think of my mother in law, she's this beautiful little Scottish flower, like straight from Scotland. My husband's Scottish, um, grew up in this little village and she told me that after she had her children, that the church, cause that was everything, they would just show up unannounced. And it was like they were coming to visit you, but everyone knew it was like a check in.
So she lived in perpetual fear that her house wasn't anything but perfect, with two tiny children, doing everything herself, and then just terrified of someone knocking on the door to come in and just openly judge her. That's just one woman's experience in a tiny village in Scotland. Like, I mean, it is so deep and so dark, you know?
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No, me either, and
[00:35:05] Tracey Tee: I'm not mad about it, like, they were so great, they were like, go outside please, you know, like, it was amazing.
[00:35:12] Beth Weinstein: But it's funny, I just was telling someone recently how I visited my mom last month and I was like, yeah, it's weird, she lives in one of these neighborhoods, it's like a housing development and I've never seen kids play on the street.
It's the weirdest thing for you. It's like been 20 years and I'm like, God, why is it that I come here and there's never kids on the street? And I know there's kids because there's a ton of young families there. And I'm like. Where are all these kids but the world has changed and yeah, like the level of fear and then you know Now kids are being shuttled to 12 different kinds of classes and programs and you know It's like we're just in a different world and I agree.
It's like what you said It's it gets very overwhelming and then you throw in things like social media you throw in the schools you throw in You know, like work and the, the striving for this, like, Oh, trying to hold it all together and not show your feelings. And I, I'm glad you're talking about this because of course, you know, definitely the last few years or maybe the fact that I'm in the personal development industry, there are more people out there talking about like the realities of being a mom.
But that's to me in a large. In the grand scheme of things, that's very recent only. You know, it's not, um, and it's still like just becoming a little more accepted. Now I'm curious, you know, let's, I want to hear how MOM, the, the program or this
[00:36:33] Tracey Tee: community
[00:36:33] Beth Weinstein: works.
[00:36:34] Tracey Tee: When I had the vision for MOM, I really wanted a place where, again, like I was saying, people can just come together and talk.
So the, the, the first and foremost thing is we just have an online community. That's off social media, where it's called the grow that moms can just come together and talk. And I really believe to your point, I'm right there with you. Like I don't, it's not rocket science. Like it. And I think we don't need another guru or influencer telling us how to do this.
I believe we can learn together and you learn so much by hearing and listening to the experiences of others and comparing them to your own lived experience. And I think just having that shared Experience of motherhood just deepens that trust muscle a little bit more. And also it's like you just. you know, you, you see the world through the lens of motherhood.
That's just how it is. So you see microdosing through the lens of motherhood. So our, our monthly membership, um, it's 4 a month. It's going to be in 2024 or 20. Yeah. Is that where we're going into 2024? It's going to be 2 a month. It's really not about the money. It's about. Getting troll, keeping trolls away.
Um, and that we start talking together. So there's, there's a monthly membership that anyone can join. And my vision is really that we have experienced psychonauts that have been doing this for decades and, and people who are terrified of it, but may be curious and are just circling the pond. And we all talk together.
So that's number one, number two, the real core, the foundation of everything is our three and a half month course, which is 10 women or less, where you. Learn how to create your own intentional microdosing practice. Again, we're not scientists, I'm not a doctor, it's not us telling you how to do it. It's saying, let's create a relationship with this medicine, take it slow, we made it this far without it.
For this long, like there's no need to rush into anything and just jam four grams down your throat. Let's take it nice and slow and see what it feels like in our body. And over the period of months, let's start peeling back those onion layers and giving ourself permission to go through the ebbs and flows of feeling our feelings again.
And that takes a long time, especially if you've decided to titrate off your SSRIs or change up your lifestyle and really embrace change. It's a big shock to the system. So that's like, it's, um, creatively called course one, because I couldn't think of anything else to call it, but like, that's really the foundation.
That's where we encourage everyone because there's support. And again, it's like mothers talking to mothers. And then the other part is we have a microdosing one on one for moms, like. instant course so that you just don't follow hashtag psilocybin on Instagram, which is a terrible idea. You know, and just, it's like written for a mom by a mom.
Again, I am no way the preeminent expert on psychedelics, not even close, but it's enough to get you started and empower yourself with knowledge. And then I cite enough sources for you to keep going and keep learning. And one thing that I'm seeing that is, Raising a little concern to me is everyone is kind of at this 11 mark in their life and they're about ready to pop and so Americans love to just take one little thing and then just like blow it up.
And so there's this urgency to start microdosing yesterday and people don't really want to talk about like what it is or why it is and, and how it works. And again, I think in our Western culture, we don't have any context or connection to ceremony, to to, to, to plant medicine, to entheogenic medicine, and it takes time to develop that relationship and to unlearn what medicine means in the Western sense and integrate something that to your point is intuitive, that's slower, that's softer, that's a co creation rather than just swallowing back a bunch of pills and just waiting for your life to change.
And that's, that's really what we're, that's what we're here for.
[00:40:33] Beth Weinstein: I'm so glad you just mentioned that. Because, because I, I have been saying this since day one that the, especially like the mass media is really into like psychedelics will just fix everything. I mean, it makes a really good story. It's like, this has been proven to cure depression.
So there's, what I've seen over the years is there's a lot of people just like jumping in and, and kind of almost like that desperation, which I get, you know, we are kind of at that desperation point in our society. But people coming in saying like, okay. Well, because I've seen this with ketamine like okay, I'll just start doing ketamine therapy And then they're doing ketamine once a week and it's like how is this any different than taking an antidepressant, you know?
And it's it's the same thing with microdosing. It's like, oh I've heard this will make me So much more creative and I'll publish my book in two months, you know, but And there is that kind of like, Oh, let's just jump in and get and take and like, uh, this'll fix. And really it's like you said, like, well, there's way more to it than that.
And, and honestly, it's not just this fix all, it's actually not that cute.
[00:41:40] Tracey Tee: Like at all. It's not cute.
[00:41:43] Beth Weinstein: Yeah. That's, I know it's, it's funny. I, I Facebook live on this last year where I had to give someone their money back. Cause they were like, I want to jump into psilocybin and the industry and just like give it to all my patients who currently do ketamine.
And I'm like, have you ever done this? Have you ever tried it and seen what it's like? Cause it's not like that. Um, you know, and it's just, I'm glad you you're mentioning taking it slow, tuning in, developing relationships, and also really talking about. What's actually happening is like feeling the truth of your feelings.
And I'm curious. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was going to ask, like, what, what happens then after, let's say a mom is new to this and they've been microdosing for a while and they've kind of gone through your courses. What have you seen change? Like, what is the kind of, um, the gist of like where they start and where they go?
Is it that they're just. More in tune with themselves or is it like are you seeing some women make like massive? Life changes or like are there any of these like, you know, the miracle stories that we all
[00:42:52] Tracey Tee: hear Yeah, I would say there's kind of like three buckets. Um We definitely see A lot of talk of divorce.
We've had our fair share of moms come out of the closet, realize that their sexuality lies in another bucket. Um, and that's exciting and sort of terrifying. And that's like every facilitator's, you know, you go, we do these large dose journeys and you're like, right, I'm selling my house, I'm leaving my husband and I'm gay now.
And like, you know, everyone, if they're good is like, maybe just sit with that for a few months until you, it might be true. Um, And we've got you, but like maybe just sit with that. Um, so we definitely see that, but usually those women are already have been on a massive life path. And this was just, I always describe like mushrooms.
They're like, They're like the little helpers that are pushing your butt over a fence, you know, like they're, it's not really about the mushrooms at the end of the day, right? It's about the work you're doing and they're just the little helper that's pushing you over the top. So that's bucket one. Bucket two is my favorite, which is seeing women come in.
a lot of mothers who come in and we really run the gamut. We have mothers who are, you know, weeks postpartum that just know that this is right for them. And we don't take a stance on whether you should or should do that. They know that it's right. And we have mothers who have grandkids, a lot, a big portion of our community is mothers.
Like 50, 60 plus, um, who are in their third act of life and are like, I'm not ending this, I'm not ending this last round, like without doing it my way. And I need help. So it's, that's really cool. And so what we see is women coming in, in a, in a decent level of just stress, confusion, um, and that crossroads of like, just slightly before the edge of kind of an awakening.
And then watching someone who with determination and devotion and commitment, like you just see their eyes, like. wake up and you kind of just watch them pop. And there's nothing that we can, we can do except just hold space for that woman and just cheer her on because her path is her own. And it's in, but that she knows that she can do it inside a safe container.
So that's like. My favorite bucket is just seeing that I got it, you know, and what you do from that, that could be years before you really act on it, as we all know. And then the third, um, is a lot of women walking up to that edge and you see it as a facilitator. You see it and you're like, go, go, go. You're so close.
You're so close. And then they're like, Nope. And they turn right around and walk back. The change is too terrifying. Um, there's too many implications. A lot with the partners. There's no way, there's no way he'll understand. There's no way he'll listen to me. There's no way I'll have a husband. There's no way I'll have my friends.
I'm not ready to do it. Or even, you know, sometimes I'm surprised at what I'm, what the words coming out of my mouth, like who is this other person and it's just like, shut it down and go. And so I would say that's, that's kind of how, that's kind of how we see it. And, and we see too, like people, you know, go through and have a fine time and then like a year later we'll come back.
And their whole lives has changed, you know, and that's, that's the beauty of the medicine. And I think that's the beauty of like being in this space. I always say like, you have to do enough drugs where your ego just isn't involved like at all. It's not about us achieving a desired outcome for mothers.
It's about holding the space and telling, giving them permission to change however that looks for them.
[00:46:28] Beth Weinstein: Yeah, that's exactly it. It's like, you know, all you can do is hold the space, give them the guidance, you know, maybe, uh, like here's what's worked with me, here's some other stories, but in the end, you know, everybody's on their own sovereign path.
And, um, I, I love what you say about like some of these women go through these major transformations. I get a lot of this in my program, you know, people like. They come to me and they're like, okay, something's off. I know what I, I, I'm here to serve. And then they quit their jobs and then they give up their nursing license and then they decide not to be doctors anymore.
I mean, these are huge things, but these were already brewing, you know, it's like they were already in there and it's just getting the courage and the awareness of like, well, actually I've been unhappy for this many years or I haven't wanted to be married anymore. And now there's just kind of the truth coming out.
And yeah, exactly like you said, there's also that kind of that fear of like the discomfort. But my belief is, you know, you're opening the little door, the little tiny portal. And who knows, you know, sometimes it takes years and we'll see. But I'm also curious. Has, has your being in your community, has it led to a lot of women wanting to then go experience like higher doses or, yeah,
[00:47:45] Tracey Tee: and we a hundred percent encourage that.
Like I, that is absolutely a necessary part of the psychedelic experience. Again, my theory, and this goes against like what a lot of my mentors believe it comes back to that modern American woman. And I just don't think. that rushing into a high dose ceremony without any context, any relationship with the medicine, you can just become incredibly destabilized.
And I'm just as protective of mothers as I am of the medicine. Right. And so what I don't want is for someone to go to a retreat or hire and pay a bunch of money for a guide and have this huge experience. and not understand what integration is, not have the patience for integration, not have the support for integration.
And you're pretty, you can be pretty jacked up. with that. And then again, you go back and you're still raising kids. So you're, you're trying to like make sense of what you just saw while you're making PB and J's for school lunch. And it's, it's not a good combination. So I say again, take it slow microdose for a few months, feel the medicine in your body, create a relationship to it.
Understand what it means. Teach yourself about it. And then with that support, please go to a large dose journey a hundred percent, but do it wisely and understand what's going to work for you. You know, there's a lot of hesitation, especially with mothers. I mean, most moms who come into our course don't even feel like they should be.
Taking the course, they think like it's spending too much money on themselves. Too much time. You know, an hour and a half every other week. It's too much. I don't deserve it. And so to say, go and do this other big thing is a big leap for most moms. So I just think you need to take your time moving into it.
But yes, a hundred percent, we encourage it. I pray for it and I think it's necessary for sure.
[00:49:45] Beth Weinstein: Great. And I'm so, I'm so glad you take this stance. I am, the, the irony of someone working in the psychedelic space, a lot like me, I'm constantly talking about how it's not about that. You know, like we don't necessarily need the big dose.
It's not for everybody. You know, I have seen people go in opposite directions over and over. I've actually had to tell clients to stop working with psychedelics, like take a break for six months and get grounded a little and like get on the earth. And I've had personally, I've worked with pretty much everything there is for over 30 years.
And I've had one of my biggest breakthroughs on a tiny little half a gram. You know, it's like. We don't necessarily need our nervous systems and our brains blown, especially if you don't have that proper integration and support. And You have a whole family and all these other responsibilities. And so I'm so glad that that's the message.
And it's not just to be taken and blown out of proportion that now moms all need to be, um, going to psychedelic ceremonies every other weekend.
[00:50:47] Tracey Tee: So it's not, it's not the way. And also like. I, the last thing we need to do is put more pressure on moms to do another thing. Like, like you're, you know, I have so many moms who come through our course and they're like convinced they're not doing the course, right.
Or they're failing the course. And we're just like, girl, you know, no, you know, there's so much I'm learning to do. So the last thing you need to do is feel guilted or pressured into doing. Three and a half grams of penis envy when you just need to, you just need a good night's sleep, you know, like you just need to take a bath.
I literally wrote into my course, take a bath. Like that is part of the coursework is taking a bath and people are like, Oh no, no, no. I couldn't possibly take a bath.
[00:51:30] Beth Weinstein: That's so funny.
[00:51:31] Tracey Tee: You know, there's a lot of healing things. Drink some tea, lay in the, lay in your backyard that you spend so much money manicuring, like lay in that grass and see how it feels.
Raise your face to the sun and feel the warmth on your face. There's so much medicine out there. You know, I'm
[00:51:48] Beth Weinstein: constantly don't tell, I probably tell my clients to go outside and hike without their phone more than I would tell them to. But then how do you know what steps you did? I know. It's so funny though, cause I'm like, Oh my God, the programming.
It's like, yes, obviously I teach the marketing and the steps, but I'm like, In the end, if you are completely disconnected, ungrounded, nervous system overwhelmed, aren't even aware of your own needs and feelings, the marketing is not going to work. So go stand next to a tree, hug it, go ask for help from the earth and like drink some water.
It's so, it's so amazing. I love that you bring that up and, and yeah, this is like the medicine for these times that we need. Um, I want to ask you, you know, you've been kind of blowing up. You've been on, what is it? Dr. Phil. You've been on. The Today Show is it? Like, I can't even keep up because I keep saying like, whoa, um, what is that all about?
And how is it like, what's happening from that? Are you getting just like a huge surge? And then what's next for Moms on Mushrooms?
[00:52:52] Tracey Tee: I don't know what it's all about, except that. It is the largest, the biggest trip I'll ever take. I mean, going on Dr. Phil is like the most psychedelic thing you could ever do.
And it really, for me, the last few years I've had like a word of the year. And, um, God has like, when I, when the word comes in, holy cow, do I learn those lessons? Holy shit. And so when I first started Mom, my word of the year was surrender. Oh my gosh, I learned, I mean, it was not pretty, but I learned that lesson over and over and the, the, the biggest surrender was then finally saying yes to doing this, despite how little and how ill equipped I felt to do it.
And I truly believe like through my own personal practice of prayer and commitment to surrender and saying yes and, and, and in a larger journey, not to sound. stereotypical, but like truly being shown my Dharma and like what I was here to do. I just said yes to it. And then everything just kind of like blew up.
I mean, I don't have a publicist. It's just, and it's been a lifetime of like leading up to this moment. Um, so do we get surges? We do. We do. I mean, we're still promoting a schedule one drug that's illegal and stigmatized pretty much across the world. So it's not like I'm selling the next cute sweater.
Like people are very hesitant to even reach out to me. I will say that, I mean, the emails that we get constantly are like, thank you for saying this. I'm so glad I saw this. Um, so many emails from older women who are like, I've been using LSD for decades and never told anyone. And I wish, you know, I could tell my own kids, same thing.
Like the stigma and the shame is so deep. Um, men begging, can you call me my wife? I don't know what to do. She's, you know, like help. And, and so it's, it's, I mean, we've had very few trolls or pushback, hardly at all. Um, I just think there's just still a lot of hesitation. So I think we have a long road in terms of mom.
My vision is for a million moms to gather behind this medicine publicly. And I think when a million moms stand behind psychedelics and just doesn't have to be mushrooms, but psychedelics for healing. When a million moms show up like on mass publicly and say, this is what we use and this is what I look like and I am fine and I'm not high and I'm a better mom than I've ever been in my life.
First of all, there'll be no war. Like, that's done. And second, it'll be legalized. Right? We will finally turn that corner to actually collectively into that new earth energy that so many of us feel like we will leave behind the old way and we will walk into the new way together. So that's my hope and how we do that.
I'm not really sure. I just kind of just. Just keep taking shrooms and keep saying yes. I don't know what else to say.
[00:56:02] Music: That's a
[00:56:03] Beth Weinstein: great one. I like that. Here's your, here's your business plan. Just keep taking shrooms. Just keep saying yes. I mean, in the end, that's how we all ended up here, right? Yeah. I'm like, Oh, I don't, I didn't plan any of this. It just The road and then, you know, making decisions when you come to forks.
And, um, but, you know, a lot of people, you and I, the fire signs. I've been very good at just saying yes. Most of my life. Like there's, you know, there's sometimes where I'm like, I don't know about that for a few years, but then it's. It turns into a yes somehow anyways, but you know, a lot of people are so stuck in that programming and the fear and the, the, the comfort zone.
And I mean, that's why, you know, having the support from MOM really helps to just kind of step into like, who are you truly here to be? What do you really want? How do you want to, you know, contribute to your life, the life of your family, you know, make a difference just by being a better person and being happier.
Yeah. Yeah.
[00:56:59] Tracey Tee: And I think like. Um, I just stopped letting the fear of saying yes dictate my decision making, but I also will say those, you know, continual ego deaths keep me real. And you know, I said yes, cause I am a fire sign. I said, yes, I'm, I'm, you know, I, I achieve all my goals. I'm a type a I'm like, so cliche, it's boring.
But I was saying yes for all the wrong reasons. I was saying yes because it's what I thought I had to do. I was saying yes because I thought I knew I could do it and I could prove it to someone. But now it's like a heart centered yes and it doesn't have anything to do with anyone else besides like me and God and what I'm supposed to be doing.
And in fact, I say yes more, um, When I'm scared than I do when I'm confident, because when I'm confident, I'm like, Ooh, is that old Tracy creeping in and clouding my judgment versus when I'm scared and feeling insecure about showing up about. You know, being on TV. It's not my favorite thing. Then I'm like, it's not about, it's not about me.
It has nothing to do with me at all. And then I'm like, okay, I could do it,
[00:58:14] Music: but that's such a great lesson.
[00:58:16] Beth Weinstein: Yeah, I'm constantly saying that too. It's like, well, I'm just here in this, this light, this, I call it like the, my sovereign pillar of light. It's like, Earth, me, God, you know, and then there's the moments where it's like, Oh, is this really what's next?
It's kind of landing in my lap and kind of, okay, you know, and that's the, the discernment of like, well, yeah, it's scary, but I, it's, yeah, it's not about me and there's something exciting there too, the fear and the excitement to have that exact feeling.
[00:58:46] Tracey Tee: And it's hard like to run a business on top of that, like exist in this world that I just don't really like love.
You know, it doesn't.
[00:58:55] Music: So
[00:58:55] Tracey Tee: I have to, you know, and it's hard to like think of the bottom line and margins and I have a lot of people to support and it's expensive to run a private community and all those things and like a lot of day to day stuff takes my disconnection to spirit. That's why I'm so happy for my teachers that literally will like.
leave messages and call me like, are you doing the work? Are you taking care of yourself? Cause, and that's why I'm so grateful for the medicine because it always can bring me back to that. And even our team, it's like, we can always come back to the medicine and remember why we're doing this. And then it just changes the way.
And I think that's the new earth way of doing this differently. So fine. We have to exist in this. We have to pay taxes. We have to do these things. But not forever and we're laying the foundation and a little bit is different and like that's enough and having run businesses before The old way of me doing it in the new way.
It's just so different and That's why I'm just so grateful. I'm just grateful
[00:59:52] Beth Weinstein: So beautiful. Well, I want everyone to know that we have a link to get two months of the grow for free Right here in the show notes, you can use my code and we will have all of Tracy's links. I highly recommend you keep an eye on Moms on Mushrooms, follow her.
And honestly, I, you know, if I were a mom, I would join this community in a second. I will probably actually just join it myself anyways. I'm a mom to 90, 000 bees and lots of clients of mine. Feel that
[01:00:23] Tracey Tee: deeply.
[01:00:27] Beth Weinstein: We are all moms on some level. Absolutely. Totally. Tracy, it was so good to have you here and I'm just really honored and I'm so excited for the work you're doing.
You know, when I saw you blow up like very quick, I was like, Oh, this is great. Because we need more movements like this in not just the psychedelic space, but any transformational space. Because I believe, you know, if there's more and more people whose work can get out there and with these messages of, Hey, we need to do things differently.
Like it's very clear that things are not working. And so the more you can get your word out and your message out and create this movement. The more hope I have for our future. It's people like you that keep me really thinking optimistically when so many people are just hating on the world and everything in it, it's like, no, there's actually beauty being created and there's potential and there's people coming together and feeling and healing and living lives that they want to live.
So thank you. So glad you're doing that. Well,
[01:01:23] Tracey Tee: I. I just have to honor, like, there's no way I would do this if you weren't doing it first. If you didn't take acid at 14, that was not my path. And I am acutely aware of how bizarre my spot is in this space, given the leaders that have laid this foundation for me, especially the women and my teachers and women like you.
And so I'm, for whatever reason, have a loud mic right now, but that isn't, um, I isn't it. Because I think that I'm, I'm very aware of my place in the space and so grateful for the support because, um, I wouldn't have any of this without people like you and, and the work that you do. So thank you.
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