In this insightful episode, host Sabrina Hadeed sits down with Tracey Tee—creator of Moms on Mushrooms (M.O.M.)—to explore the deep intersection of motherhood, psychedelics, personal growth, and relationships. Tracey shares how a transformative first mushroom journey led her to microdosing and ultimately guided her to build a thriving community that supports mothers in reclaiming their sense of self and discovering an authentic, present way of parenting.
Together, Sabrina and Tracey candidly discuss the misconceptions about moms using psychedelics, the nuanced differences between “checking out” with substances like alcohol versus “checking in” with psilocybin, and how microdosing can amplify emotional healing in our most crucial relationships—especially with spouses and children. From letting go of perfectionism to creating space for rest, baths, or a simple moment of solitude, Tracey highlights how integrating psychedelic wisdom helps mothers lean into vulnerability, rewire old narratives, and show up fully for both their kids and their partnerships.
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[00:00:00] Sabrina Hadeed: So welcome to another episode of microdose, your marriage today. I'm super excited to have Tracey Tee as a special guest. She is the creator and steward of moms on mushrooms. One of the fastest growing digital communities in the psychedelic space, specifically supporting women and mothers. I'm just thrilled that you agreed to come on to my little program and can't wait to hear all that you are going to share with us.
I think the first place that I want to start is just hearing you share a little bit about how you came to create Moms on Mushrooms and what you're most proud
[00:00:39] Tracey Tee: of. And it's a little bit of a hero's journey, but I came to Moms on Mushrooms by way of having a live comedy show for mothers called The Pumpin Up Show that I.
Created and co wrote and produced and performed with my best friend and business partner since the eighth grade. And we started that in 2012 and ran it for almost 10 years. And then the lockdowns happened and we lost an almost decade old company and we just watched it slip through our fingers like sand when everything got shut down.
And the grief of that, along with a lot of free time that we all. had along with the stress, navigating a pandemic with a little kid and zoom school and all of the nonsense really kind of put me in that existential crisis that a lot of people were. And I had been on a spiritual path rather for quite a while since I turned 40.
I think there's something that happens when a woman turns 40. You just start to ask all the questions. Like my friends who are younger than me when they come over, I'm just like, just wait. Something happens. For I'd been asking those big questions for many, many years and looking into myself and in my shadow and all the things, you know, psychedelics kind of would pop up here and there different modalities that I was looking into and it always resonated.
And I always felt, especially mushrooms and ayahuasca just made sense to me. And I thought that's great, but I can never do this. You know, like I never going to be able to go to Peru as a mother and fast forward to 2020. I went on a camping trip with my best friend and former business partner. And she called me up and said, Trace, we're going to go take this camping trip at this lake.
Cause it'd be a bunch of moms and you're going to put on your big girl pants and you're going to take mushrooms. And that was my entry point. And it was a completely amazing, beautiful, life changing, you know, evening and night. Um, and I was hooked and then because of that, I really started to look into microdosing as a way to help deepen my own spiritual path.
But I was also on Wellbutrin at the time. Because I have a history of reproductive issues, I had stage four endometriosis for over two decades and ended up having to have a full hysterectomy when I was 41 years old, which launched me into surgical menopause. Correct. So, for those of you who don't know what a full hysterectomy is, that means they take everything, like, uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes, ovaries, there's nothing left.
They clear you out. And so I walked into the hospital with hormones and walked out with hot flashes. That's how fast menopause sets in. And my functional medicine doctor wisely put me on wellbutrin to help me navigate that intense swing. And I'm so grateful. But then it got to the point where I was just like, well, Now what?
You know, how long do I, how long do I take this? Who am I without it? And microdosing seemed to make sense. And so I started microdosing and I think within a couple of weeks, just all of those question marks and different things just kind of started to go, like kind of fall into place. And I really felt myself becoming the version of myself that I had been seeking all these years.
And, and I do think that I am just someone who is actually. Put on this earth to work with mushrooms. I really like mushrooms. They really like me. So I'm really blessed in that department. And I actually microdosed for five days on two days off straight. For nine solid months, I did not take a break. I didn't know the breaks were important.
I didn't really understand what integration was back then. Um, and for me, it worked really well and it really got me through like a big transformational period of my life. And then almost a year to like the week of when I started microdosing, my family was up in the mountains outside Aspen, Colorado. It was a Monday morning at 11 AM and we had our.
Then nine year old daughter and our 18 year old niece in the car and we got hit by a drunk driver plowed into and we plowed through a guardrail at 70 miles an hour and slew 30 feet in the air and landed in a ditch in the mountains. And had to like pull our kids out of the car. We were all injured. We walked ourselves into the ambulance.
So in many ways it was a miraculous accident. But in the days that followed when I was healing, I was like, why am I not? More effed up from this terrible thing. Like when you have to kick yourself out of your own car and like crawl over glass and like pull your kids out, that's traumatic. And I realized that it was because of the medicine.
I was feeling waves of grief and anxiety and all the things and anger and all the stuff that happens when you get in a terrible accident, but it was like. Coming out of me and that's when I, I was present with it. That's when I was like, Oh, right. This really is an ally. And that accident led me to find in, in trying to find a psychologist or someone to help my daughter navigate, like what that experience was, um, led us to actually a beautiful woman who had been underground practicing psychedelic medicine for decades.
She ended up seeing my whole family. Two months after that, I was on the floor with three and a half grams of penis envy down my throat in a real journey with a real guide. And three months after that, I was just not even three months. I would say like maybe within the month I was just meditating after this, a really transformational journey.
And I was just. Meditating and Mom's on Mushrooms, MOM just like landed in my head and I sat up and I was like, well, that's genius. Obviously someone's thought of that. And then I was like, well, I have no business. I'm just doing this. I just got started. I'm just, I barely understand. I'm, you know, no, it's just, I just didn't want to do it.
Who am
[00:06:46] Sabrina Hadeed: I? It's actually a beautiful question that I think some people don't stop to ask and they're just like, you know, bulldoze through, I'm going to be the one. And then there are others that are like, well, who am I? Let me really consider that.
[00:06:59] Tracey Tee: Well, thank you medicine because old Tracey would have bulldozed through and just been like great new business.
Let's do it. And I think. Some of the lessons that I've been shown and a lot of what has helped me is just a slow that I call myself like a recovering type a. And so now I sit with ideas more than I used to. And my ego has a proper place now. So she's not driving the ship anymore. Let me spend some time with
[00:07:25] Sabrina Hadeed: this.
Let me get to know it. Be curious about it. Weigh the pros and cons, slow down. I so resonate with that. That sort of challenging the type A, challenging that fiery part. Cause I think a lot of us can relate with that, especially as mamas, you know, the protector part of us is like, yeah, this thing is amazing.
I want to bring it to everybody. It's going to help everybody. And it's important, you know, that is one of the things I love most about mushrooms in particular is just that wisdom around slow down. Slow down
[00:07:54] Tracey Tee: and, and it doesn't need to be, I mean, as well. So obviously I started it and then it kind of really blew up despite myself.
And I think that was me just saying yes to God in a time in like actual humbleness and humility and being very like.
[00:08:13] Sabrina Hadeed: Yeah. I love that because you touch on surrender. I mean, we talk a lot about surrender and not just surrender that exists when you're doing like a mic or sorry, a macro dose, but surrender throughout life, like learning that surrender can be empowering.
And I just love that the, the topic too, of, of letting go while also staying anchored. You know, I, I recently I've been, I've been geeking out on, so to speak, the. Origins of words. And I recently spent time with humility and humble. And it comes from, uh, the two words, like most of our words do that, that together, I mean, one of the words comes from a definition that means the earth, like literal ground.
[00:08:55] Tracey Tee: Oh, wow.
[00:08:57] Sabrina Hadeed: Oh, I love that. And so this idea, yeah, that humble and humility is anchoring again, coming back to grounding. Yeah. And it does that. It's, it's a good checkpoint. I mean, I know in one of my most magical, mind blowing, transformational, uh, psychedelic journeys, I had that moment. With the medicine where I was being almost puffed up, you know, like the ego inflation, like the, the medicine, you know, the, my ancestors were telling me like, this is the work and this is your path and like how amazing you are.
And I was feeling it like, Oh, that's right. I am right. And then all of a sudden I got this other message that was like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Yes. And pace yourself. Remember your smallness. Remember how important it is to. Check that. And that seemed really like almost a visceral, like, Oh, I can do both.
Right. I can be empowered and loud and big and like, you know, steward my dreams while also. You know, anchoring in humility and anchoring in slow down. Let's be curious, let's question, let's ask the question like, is this, am I in the right space and do I need support? And I love what you wrote actually on your, um, you're in the bout section on Moms Aren't Mushrooms, the website, where it says that, that no one person Is, is this work like that?
It takes, it's, it's, you know, centuries old, worst of wisdom. It's a team of people. It's all the people that are stewarding. Um, and I just, I love that because it's like both you can celebrate yourself and your voice and what you're bringing, which is so, so important. Mamas need support more than most. And I am a mama.
And so I will own that, you know, lens. You're giving, you know, you're not centering yourself. You're sort of, you're reminding folks, yeah, be excited, be empowered, find your voice. And then also let's remember that this is not anyone's, this isn't anyone's to claim is that there's no ownership involved. Yeah.
[00:10:54] Tracey Tee: Yeah. That's beautifully said. I love all the things you're saying. It's so funny that you said surrender because I don't, I gave up doing like, um, New Year's resolutions and goals and all that, and I've had a word of the year and surrender was my word that year. Love it. And so, and man, my words. I love that.
I shifted New Year's resolution
[00:11:14] Sabrina Hadeed: to, what do I want to be more in alignment with this year? Yeah. Yeah. I love
[00:11:19] Tracey Tee: that. Yeah. Yeah. Mine just are like words that show up. So surrender was that, but like, I love what you said about humility and humbleness. I actually just got, I just got back from Oaxaca on a really profound medicine pilgrimage.
And that was a huge lesson in my mushroom journey. Same thing. I felt this beautiful divine power. I felt like the power and the importance and the love and all in the light of this, of like the feminine aspect of God and like the both. And, and in that same moment when you, I felt like I couldn't possibly achieve anything else.
I pooped my pants because I was super sick and I am still really sick. I'm sorry that this is gross on a podcast, but I love it.
[00:12:05] Sabrina Hadeed: It's funny
[00:12:05] Tracey Tee: because I was so sick with like a parasite and, and then I did that and they were like, my day, I say like my guides, I have to sort of like galactic Lido deck of. I think of guides that show up when I, when I work with mushrooms, um, and ceremony and they were like, okay, you just saw that and congratulations.
You're a human being. I had a
[00:12:26] Sabrina Hadeed: magic wand. I would, you know, and not, we're not going to go down the political rabbit hole, but like politicians from any side, every side, everywhere in the middle, like. Anyone that starts to lose perspective because of their sort of power and platform, I wish we could just have them, you know, poop their pants, help them remember.
But the
[00:12:46] Tracey Tee: lesson that they told me was that. You're a human and you being human and remembering that you're human is actually what keeps you humble because we've got all these weird things and holes and whatever, all this stuff, blood and bones and gunk and all this, all these things. And we can.
Experience it all and we have to be in it all. And that's how we stay humble is like remembering that they're
[00:13:15] Sabrina Hadeed: human. So most proud of, I want to go back to that most proud of when it comes to mom. So fast forward, right? It's, you know, there's this, it's basically a community. I'm sure you're proud of so many things, right?
So mom,
[00:13:26] Tracey Tee: yep. We're a community. We're kind of threefold. We have an online private membership. That's basically like Facebook for moms on shrooms, but not on Facebook. So my vision was never to do anything on social. I'm not interested in it. I don't actually think there's community on social media. Uh, so we have that it's 2 a month.
It's no big deal. And my vision was really, when I kind of thought about moms on mushrooms was that we actually don't need another dude in a coat telling us. How to take this medicine, when to take this medicine. Um, I really think we can figure it out together. And I think one of the things that is missing right now for mothers is that mycelial web, that connection, that community, because we don't have that in our local communities anymore.
We don't have elders. We're not sitting around the fire, working stuff out. We're not listening to our grandparents and we're not really necessarily even helping each other out a lot. And so to heal, I think for moms to come, kind of come back to stasis, I think we need to heal that wound and open ourselves up to community more.
But also we just need to start talking. Yeah. So that's what the portal really is. And then inside that we offer three month cohorts. Um, of like a small group of 10 women or less led by a wing woman who will support you not to kind of teach you how to microdose because they don't believe in that, but really to help you unlearn.
really the idea of Western allopathic medicine or the, the Western idea of healing and then create an intentional relationship with, with magic mushrooms, but the iteration we're in now. So we don't have any context as a society around ceremony or ritual. And when we hear those words, they're triggering because they've either been inverted.
Or overperformed, or it's still in this hierarchical way of like, well, you can watch me do a ceremony or you can watch me do a ritual, but you don't get to do it. And what we wanted to say is that everything in your life can be sacred and that medicine can be sacred and is, and let's learn how to create that personal relationship that looks.
It's totally unique to you. So that's really what the courses are about. So I would say the thing I'm proudest of, I'm proud. I am. I will say that I'm proud that I said yes, because I've just been getting my ass kicked for the last two years. It's a hard business to run. It's a weird space to be in, but I will also say the thing I'm proud about is how little negative pushback we've received.
Truly.
[00:15:55] Sabrina Hadeed: Yeah.
[00:15:56] Tracey Tee: I'm, I'm talking. 2 percent max of negativity of naysayers of people who don't get it. I would say overwhelmingly people are like,
[00:16:08] Sabrina Hadeed: thank you. Yes. And thank you. I don't feel so alone with this. I'm curious about it. Yeah. I think, you know, the trustworthiness already exists in when somebody says I'm a mom too.
I'm a mom too. You don't even have to tell me your story. And already, your trustworthy score goes up.
[00:16:30] Tracey Tee: It's that beautiful thing of a shared experience. And it can happen in a million different
[00:16:35] Sabrina Hadeed: iterations.
[00:16:36] Tracey Tee: But yeah, there's something about two moms talking that you're like, Oh, got it. I know where you've been before, white twins.
[00:16:43] Sabrina Hadeed: Yep, yep, we can talk poop, we can talk snot, we can talk frustration, intolerance, overload, right, all of the things. Yeah. Uh, second guessing yourself, I mean, there's, the list goes on and on. Um, you know, one of the things I know, I had a question that I had sent you in advance and the questions kind of shift for me, but it was around like, what are some of the questions that sort of tick you off the most that you get?
And I, and then I sat with like, where's that question for me coming from? And it was coming from, I do love following everything you're doing on social media. It's really fun to see as a provider myself and as someone that's an educator and an advocate for psychedelic medicine. It's really fun for me.
And I've specifically enjoyed Watching you get showcased on some of the more mainstream media outlets like Fox News, NBC, ABC, Dr. Phil, of course, right? And, and some, not all, but some of them have sort of confronted you and cornered you. With some questions around, like, what do you role modeling? I know that was one, you know, do you have concerns?
I know Dr. Phil asked you, like, do you have concerns about the lack of research? And then he didn't like your answer, which I loved your answer. Right. I was like, well, what do you mean unresponsive? Like she probably gave you a great answer. You're just spinning this or whatever. But so given that context, I think that's where that question of what, what questions tick you off the most or not even tick you off, but like, what are the ones that.
That have challenged in a beautiful way. Like Yeah. Bring on that question 'cause I'm a big fan of that. Like bring your skepticism, bring your caution. We need that.
[00:18:17] Tracey Tee: What are your thoughts about Yeah, I'm always happy to talk to anyone. You know, I think we have 50, 50 years minimum of bad PR for psychedelics and a pure misinformation, right?
And so I have a lot of compassion for. The West who has no idea what they're talking about, you know, because we've been fed wrong information and Psychedelics aren't for everyone, so I'm always happy to talk to an opposing voice. I'm always happy to connect with someone who's skeptical. I think what pisses me off, truly, no one likes a, like, snarky skeptic that just wants to get a gotcha.
More than anything, I think it's this idea that Mothers in particular shouldn't be messing with this and it comes with a tone of condescending, like I don't think you know what you're doing and are real tired of that energy towards mothers. Patronizing,
[00:19:21] Sabrina Hadeed: not giving you the benefit of the doubt.
[00:19:23] Tracey Tee: It's kind of like pat her on the head and, and I, I've sat with it cause I've been asked so many times.
Like I think the most common question is like. Uh, well this is just mushrooms are the next mommy's little helper and I'm like really irritated by that sentiment because it's indicating that mom needs a helper, a little helper, which is kind of like a little treat, like not totally good for you, but like socially acceptable enough for you to take it.
And that has been allowed and encouraged for a long time. So we don't like angry, sad moms. We just don't like them as a culture. We don't know what to do with them. And so we try to shut them up. I mean, for Christ's sake, we chloroformed women when they were giving birth. So we didn't hear them scream. I mean, it's been, this is a long history.
For women. And then it's Valium and the Valium's okay. And then it's the afternoon martini. Okay. Well, mom just needs her martini. Turn down the volume of
[00:20:20] Sabrina Hadeed: their voice. Turn down the volume of their light. Turn down.
[00:20:24] Tracey Tee: And it's the wine moms and like, Oh, that's okay. You can go out and get wasted on two bottles of Chardonnay at three in the afternoon with tiny kids running around.
But how dare you take a small subperceptual dose of a psychedelic that is known to be anti addictive, non toxic, all the things. How dare you do that? And I think my read of it is that we as a collective society, and I include women in this because we've been programmed, are not actually ready for mothers to check in and to be present.
We want them a little numbed out. We like. We want the, we want the wide eyes and the Stepford wife. We've, we've created an entire pop culture zeitgeist around this idea of a mom. And the, the opposite of that is very confronting. So that's what pisses me off because it's not, there's nothing, there's nothing numbing out or like checking out about.
Like, kudosing is so funny to me. Yeah. It's not, it's
[00:21:23] Sabrina Hadeed: not. I mean, that's the thing is you can't, people are, I think they're doing what we do as humans where we're trying to make sense of something that we don't understand. And when we try to make sense of something that we don't understand, we often try to compare it to something we think it's like.
Exactly. And they're getting it wrong. That's exactly it. It cannot be compared to a glass of wine. And I love what you said about that wine is maybe the helper that helps moms check out, whereas mushrooms is an assistant or helper that helps you check in. And I really resonate with that because anyone that's had any experience with mushrooms can, most people anyway, when it's a healthy relationship, can tell you that it makes you more aware of, right?
Like Stan Groff, right? He nailed it when he said that psychedelics amplify their nonspecific amplifiers. You can help increase the probability that they'll be more specifically amplifying. That's why we have intentions. That's why we do some sort of preparation and Yet it's going to help you look at and be present with sometimes uncomfortable feelings like even I remember the first time I microdosed, I mostly was tired and I was like, this isn't doing anything.
I'm just tired. And the person I was working with was like, yeah, but there's wisdom in that. Are you tired? And I was like, well, I'm a mother of two little ladies. So yeah, I've been tired for a long time. I'm a mom in my forties, right? Of course I'm tired. So I, yeah. You know, took that as a form of guidance and I just got some really good rest and I tried to change my sleep hygiene and I did start sleep training at the time.
My little one was not even a year old. And then when I microdosed, when I went back into sort of a rhythm with it, after I was rested, I was no longer feeling tired when I was microdosing. Instead, I was being confronted with other truths. I. Needed to face and see. And so I'm so aligned with what you're saying when it comes to what I call like the relationship with the relationship with these substances, you know, what is my relationship with alcohol?
What is my relationship with coffee? What is my relationship with mushrooms? Right. And I. I wish that I could have been a butterfly on the wall during that Dr. Phil interview because when he said I think it was him that asked the question of what are you role modeling and you gave a beautiful answer right like she's role modeling how to be in healthy relationship with a plant medicine.
Like how to be in healthy relationship. It's
[00:23:53] Tracey Tee: interesting how resistant we are to feeling uncomfortable. And then women and then mothers on top of that compounded have been programmed to not allow themselves to feel
[00:24:08] Sabrina Hadeed: uncomfortable. And I say that over and over again, like this isn't something like. The Western medicine tells us to take a pill and just go on our way.
It doesn't work. This is something it's not passive. That's right. It's active. You have to be a participant and, and the degree to which it's going to serve you is going to be the degree to which you're willing to look at those uncomfortable things and do that work.
[00:24:31] Tracey Tee: If you don't know that it's okay, if you don't have permission to be uncomfortable, then you're stuck in the same place that we've all, that we're all coming out of.
And we need support when you're uncomfortable. Like your partner needs to let you be uncomfortable. Your kids need to let you be uncomfortable. So there's so much unlearning that we're doing right now. And that's why I really think microdosing is such a beautiful tool for mothers. because learning how to be uncomfortable and creating that relationship with the medicine first, before you go do a large dose journey, which I fully recommend and support.
And it's the most important thing, but it can be incredibly destabilizing. And if you don't like feeling uncomfortable at 50 milligrams, you're You're really going to hate feeling comfortable, uncomfortable at a gram plus. It's not going to go well. Yeah, it's not going to go well.
[00:25:20] Sabrina Hadeed: And if it doesn't go well and you don't have the support, those are the folks, the ones that are not coming to me to do the above ground work with ketamine or psilocybin, they're coming to me because they've had negative experiences because they've had undesirable or adverse effects from microdosing and.
The bigger psychedelic. Both. I rarely see people coming for support who had an adverse reaction while they had really good support. Those, those folks are not coming to see me.
[00:25:52] Tracey Tee: No, no, because you're, that's what we're reframing and if you're, if you're allowed to feel uncomfortable and it's as simple as that, truly, like you're allowed to be grumpy for a couple of weeks.
There's so, like you said, there's so many lessons. There's so much magic in that and giving yourself permission to let those feelings come up and now is, it's so empowering. It's actually hard to put into words. It is. Yeah. It's so healing. And I think to what I'm seeing, if we want to talk about just like some negative, you know, bummers that I'm seeing in the space is in that same spirit of pain and suffering, it can often be that if you don't have a guide who is understanding of the landscapes and the like, the arc that a human can go through working with psychedelics.
They're just like, push, you know, take more and do it and get face your fears. And I don't think that that's wise. No, you can be very dangerous because if someone doesn't know how and why they're facing their fears and they don't have preparation to, to work through it, then it can be incredibly destabilizing and harmful.
[00:27:01] Sabrina Hadeed: Absolutely. Destabilizing and harmful. Yep. For sure. So. What are maybe some of the highlights that you feel have been the most beneficial either for yourself or for other moms in Microdosing I'll
[00:27:14] Tracey Tee: speak to myself first. There's so many there's so many things that I think have changed And sometimes I wonder like do my friends and family see all the changes that I see in myself Or am I maybe just better to be around?
I you know TBD, but I would say the biggest gift I've received is how I raised my daughter and And Old Tracey was very much raising her with the programming and in the way that I was raised and we do it this way. And I was very influenced by, you know, my circles around me about what I thought societal expectations were and what she should do.
And then something shifted and I just started to see her for who she is. And I dropped everything that I was doing because I thought it was the right thing to do. And I just started doing things that were right for Evie. And the release for myself in that of the pressure of having to do all the right things.
They have to be in all these things. They have to be high performing kids, like la, la, la, I just dropped all of it. And now, and now that she's 13, almost 14, like I'm in peak teen years, it's helping me guide seeing her rather than seeing my shadow. So when she and I step off and we're, and she's driving me nuts or I'm not understanding her and she's not understanding me.
What I can stop and ask myself is what does this being that I love more than anything else in life, like what does she need and what does she want? It's the matter about me.
[00:28:49] Sabrina Hadeed: Yeah.
[00:28:50] Tracey Tee: And that's been like the biggest guy.
[00:28:51] Sabrina Hadeed: I love it so much. I can, I really can relate to that too.
[00:28:55] Tracey Tee: Yeah.
[00:28:55] Sabrina Hadeed: I call it the truth, you know, the truth of the moment.
Like, what is she trying to tell you? What is she telling you about what she needs and what she wants? And, and it goes back to full circle, back to what you were saying about, How mushrooms help you check back in, be present, slow down enough to be present, right? And there are other things that do that. Of course, there are mindfulness, meditation, yoga, anything that go out in nature, right?
Spend time in introspective work. All of that can have similar effects, and that's great. And we want to keep doing those. I think like many of us mamas, we're already asking these questions. We're asking questions of like, is this the right call? And am I doing right by my kids? And where's the balance too?
Because I think talk about old narratives. We used to be taught that we don't get to have needs. And that if we have them, they come last. And I'm always telling mamas, no, that is actually really harmful. Not just to ourselves, but to the babies we're trying to protect and to our, you know, partners and to people in our lives.
We cannot, we cannot operate that way anymore. Moms cannot sustain that way. And mushrooms really, I think, do help. Even in microdoses, right? Having that relationship, it helps us to expedite getting to those places that we want to get to internally. You know, like assistance to the meditation assistance to how to soften with your kids, how to better understand why were you frustrated in that moment when your kid asked for the third dinner?
I can't tell you how many times I'm like, Oh my God, why can't you just eat dinner and not need a second and third dinner? And then I'm like, but what am I really mad about? I'm mad about that. I mean, you're mad about third dinner. I
[00:30:38] Tracey Tee: mean, let's be honest. I'm mad
[00:30:40] Sabrina Hadeed: that I'm inconvenienced. I don't want to. I'm tired.
It's the end of the day. I don't want to have to make a third thing. Right. Or whatever. And that's valid. But like, is that a, is that a good enough reason to like, you know, yell at my kid? My answer is going to be, no, it's not. Instead I can out loud say the things like, well, you know, it's, it's hard for mom sometimes.
Like I'm really tired. I don't want to get up and make you a quesadilla, but maybe we put together and it'll be less irritating,
[00:31:06] Tracey Tee: you know, or interesting in our course, one of the like. I think it might, I think it might be a little too subversive actually, as I'm saying this out loud, but like one of the things I baked into our three month course is taking baths.
Like I actually write out recipes to take baths, not like you need like rose petals and, uh, you know, organic Oshawa gone to root shipped in from Marina, but like, just like take a bath, like salt, you know, and. And, um, that was one of the transformational things for me, even before I was doing medicine work was like actually finding space to get in the bathtub because it's really, water's really good for me.
And there was in my little family, there's just, I just have one kid, like there was some shifting that had to happen for everyone to let me go and close the door for 45 minutes or an hour. And it took some. Me, it took some me getting over some mom, Gil and some lack. And then it took my family knowing that they're going to live if the door is closed and no one can come in and it took some irritating interruptions.
But what I find is that microdosing allows you to get, I think it actually quiets that guilt voice a little bit, and then you have to work with your unit that you're living with and say, yeah, we're going to rearrange the space here so that it's not like. Mom is going to the four season and that's okay, but it's not like this indulgent.
over the top thing. It's actually smaller things of space and time where you can sit uninterrupted and people actually respect that. And that is much more important, I think, than having a girl's weekend and smaller things are, it's kind of a difficult concept to grasp. It certainly was for me
[00:32:52] Sabrina Hadeed: and normalizing it for other moms, like normalizing.
And I always will say, I mean, I've said this to so many different clients that are mamas, new mamas in particular, as they're starting to learn their rhythm and what they need and how to make room for themselves when the messaging is you're not supposed to do that. And I'll say, listen, if you're restorative.
Time is taking a bath. Great. If it's driving to the local park and binge watching a show for an hour in your car, go for it, but don't let anybody tell you that that isn't productive or that you're supposed to feel bad about that. Don't let anybody do that. You know, um, teach them how to treat you. Like we oftentimes forget and it isn't our job always, but a lot of times when we're talking about shifting old narratives, Challenging the paradigms.
We do have to teach people like,
[00:33:41] Tracey Tee: you know what? That well, sure. Because you were complicit in, in the old paradigm.
[00:33:45] Sabrina Hadeed: Yes.
[00:33:45] Tracey Tee: So you're, you're teaching yourself along with leading by example. And I, I even more than teaching. I just, I always tell myself, like, I just try to lead by example, right? Like Gandhi,
[00:33:55] Sabrina Hadeed: beautiful embodying and people pick up.
[00:33:59] Tracey Tee: Your life is your message, you know? And so. If everyone just made decisions from the heart, then what you're teaching, the other person receiving it is actually receiving it from a heart space and saying, I see that you need to take a bath and my heart loves you taking a bath and because I love you, I'm obsessed with you taking a bath, full stop.
It's actually very easy. It is. But we got away from that for a long time. I mean, so. That I think is a beautiful, I think that's what helps me and actually all my relationships because I can see I'm not perfect, obviously, but I, I feel like I can zoom out a little bit more and just see people for who they are, see me for who I am.
All my flaws and then the other beautiful thing is like, I get to decide how I want to react, react and interact in those moments. And sometimes it's like, you know what, this isn't an alignment.
[00:34:55] Sabrina Hadeed: Yeah.
[00:34:55] Tracey Tee: It doesn't feel good in my body. Yeah. And thank goodness, thank
[00:34:58] Sabrina Hadeed: goodness there's a medicine that is helping us get reconnected with our bodies because we have been checking out for a long time and we've been conditioned to check out.
I've worked with people where I asked them like, where do you feel that in their body? And they're like, I have no idea. What do you mean? Yeah. Okay. This is a good place to start. You know, another question I get now that I've started really publicly putting out there that I work with couples, I get the question of like, well, will psychedelics help my sex life?
You know, will it help improve my intimacy? And first I'll say, well, okay, there's two different things we're talking about. We're talking about your sex life. We're talking intimacy. And then we get into this rich conversation where it's like, well, it could, let's talk about why though. It has actually nothing to do with the substance itself.
And it has everything to do with the work you're doing around it. Sex life is going to improve when you are more at home with yourself, because you become more confident. And also, your sex life is going to improve when you soften resentments. When you are able to be more present. Be checked in, rather than checked out, right?
That's why people who abuse alcohol don't have great sex, because it's not, you're not checked in, you're checked out. So, as we wrap up, are there any final things that you want to say or share as we end here?
[00:36:13] Tracey Tee: I always like to advise if anyone's listening and is curious or like Thinking about it and maybe has some resistance to trying psychedelics, but it's just like, it's a maybe I would just say, stick with that and just stay curious for a while.
Empower yourself with knowledge. Learn about the thing that you're about to put into your body. Take some time. We've made it this far without psychedelics. Like you're going to live another even 30 or 60 days while you really take your time. And what I'm taught is that this is slow medicine. And slow medicine can be very frustrating, especially for an American.
So remind yourself that it's slow and just allow yourself to be curious. And the truth is, is that if mushrooms are calling to you and you're feeling called to mushrooms. That medicine will start working far before you actually take your first capsule or go on your first journey that medicine will show up in the craziest, most psychedelic, shroomiest ways.
It'll be funny and weird and coincidental and feel magical and like all the things. And if you're curious to that. Then that you're going to get a lot just from being open.
[00:37:25] Sabrina Hadeed: I love it. The best way to end really, we're ending on this note of curiosity, remaining curious, we're ending on this note of go at the pace of trust.
And only you can know what that is. And then also ending on the note that I get really excited about, which is leave room for believing in magic.
[00:37:45] Tracey Tee: I mean, it's just so much more fun when you do. I love it.
[00:37:48] Sabrina Hadeed: Thank you so much, Tracey. I hope our paths cross again and I just will keep staying attuned to how things unfold.
So thank you.
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